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To consolidate, disseminate, and gather information concerning the 710 expansion into our San Rafael neighborhood and into our surrounding neighborhoods. If you have an item that you would like posted on this blog, please e-mail the item to Peggy Drouet at pdrouet@earthlink.net

Tuesday, December 18, 2012

5 thoughts on “Other actions taken Thursday by the Metro Board” 

 http://thesource.metro.net/2012/12/14/other-actions-taken-today-by-the-metro-board/

 AD on said:

The Sepulveda Pass PPP rail option says “P3 sets tolls at proportionate cost to highway tolls.” If that means that Sepulveda Pass transit riders will be paying more then what every other line charges, then lets hope that that option is not used; it would be an expanded exploitation of the people who live north of the basin.
My opinion is that LACMTA should impalement toll roads on the 405 to help cover the cost of the initial segment of the HRT tunnel. That initial rail segment will miss its chance to be a real ‘game changer’ just as the red line stopping in North Hollywood failed to be a driving alternative to most people commuting into Downtown. But just like the red line, it is a start and we can expand it as funds become available. It could one day be the invaluable transportation backbone of West Los Angeles.
The last thing we need is to build another a bus lane that will eliminate all hope of having a driving alternative. The Orange Bus has taught us that buses cannot meet the demand of a 2 million person community, with hundreds of thousands of those people commuting through bottlenecks each day/

 Steven White (@StevenMWhite) on said:
I was going to comment and say “$6.8 million is way too much for pedestrian swing gates…” but then I skimmed the report and saw that it’s actually including: “Items under consideration as part of this scope of work include painting, refinishing platform surfaces, installing enhanced lighting, improved signage, closed circuit television cameras, platform canopies, and a variable messaging system.”

 in the valley on said:
Appears that the Katz motion supports a proposal to begin a Big Dig style highway Toll Road Tunnel from Roscoe Blvd and the 405 freeway into West LA.
If there was a rail component it would start at the Van Nuys Metrolink station. Also, if there is rail, it would not connect to either the Orange line or the potential East San Fernando Valley Transit Corridor.
Another option in Metro’s November report is that the 405 freeway be expanded at Victory Blvd, a tunnel built to connect the freeway to the Big Dig Tunnel and then it could be connected to the Orange line so that the buses could run with traffic through the tunnel.
Here is the report:
http://www.metro.net/board/Items/2012/11_November/20121114P&PItem21.pdf
Concept 4 Tolled Highway Tunnel with BRT is projected to cost 10 Billion Dollars for Sepulveda Pass only (10 miles) and up to 13 Billion Dollars for a full corridor (28 miles). Concept 6 Combined Highway and Rail Tunnels with Demand Pricing is estimated between 20 Billion Dollars (10 miles) or between 30-38 Billion Dollars (21 miles).
A SIMPLE subway tunnel linking LA through the mountain would be faster, cheaper and more environmentally friendly.
Page ES-18 of the report states that LRT would have over 90,000 boardings a day.
Page ES-26 (concept 5) has the cost of the LRT Sepulveda Pass rail tunnel at 5 Billion dollars and running 10 miles or 7-8 Billion for a 28 mile corridor. If this was combined with the ESFTC this number should be reduced because the amount of tunneling would decline.
This is a mess. We have seen the fiasco that is the 710 Freeway extension. The LA Times reports this week that the State of California has doubts about the financial survivability of the Orange County toll roads (no mention of that on the Source).
And now a proposal to do a huge tunnel through the San Fernando Valley. We don’t need more freeways. How does a project cost 20 Billion Dollars for 10 miles of work but cost 30-38 Billion Dollars for 21 miles of work??
Taxpayers are ultimately going to be responsible for any toll roads and the fares on this will not be cheap. Traffic is going to continue to stay on the “Old 405″.
A simple subway tunnel is all that is needed. Engineers are told to remember the KISS principle but it seems the Metro planners didn’t get the message. Metro and Mr. Katz should read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle

(From Wikipedia:
KISS is an acronym for the design principle articulated by Kelly Johnson, Keep it simple, stupid!.The KISS principle states that most systems work best if they are kept simple rather than made complex, therefore simplicity should be a key goal in design and unnecessary complexity should be avoided. Variations on the phrase include "keep it stupid simple", "keep it short and simple", "keep it simple sir", "keep it super simple", "keep it simple or be stupid", "keep it simple and stupid", "keep it simple and straightforward" and "keep it simple and sincere.")

AD on said:
@in the Valley
A big cost for construction is “mobilization” or setting-up. That is why construction cost are front loaded. It’s like pharmaceuticals, each pill cost pennies to make, but the first pill cost millions to develop.
The one thing to consider is that car tunnels can come with heavy tolls. Imagine having 8 toll lanes: 4 each way with half them in the tunnel. With the 405 being the 3rd worst commute in America, there will be a lot of people willing to pay a lot of money to use those extra lanes. That is also why they can consider charging more for a train ride on this line then every other line.
Hopefully people don’t allow the exploitation to happen. But if the Lankershim bridge idea and the bus picture on the Metro website are any indication of the future, the Valley will continue to receive pennies in services for every dollar they give to Metro.

 Warren on said:
I think we would get more bang for our bucks with a light rail going north and south on the West side and into the valley. I believe the light rail terminus in the valley would be in Sylmar and at LAX in the city.