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Sunday, May 31, 2015

Metro’s New CEO Is Bullish About a Tunnel Under the 405

http://www.lamag.com/driver/new-metro-ceo-bullish-on-tunnel-under-405/

By Neal Broverman, May 13, 2015




 Phil Washington—formerly of Denver’s transit agency—is now in his first week as head of L.A.’s Metro. Washington was recently grilled by Move L.A., which asked him about the plans for a proposed double- or triple-level tunnel under the 405.

With a price tag of about $20 billion—Metro only has $1 billion to pay for it—the agency will need to get creative if they want it see the light of day (or not, it would be underground). Move L.A. asked Washington about public/private partnerships, where a private business builds a public amenity (say a freeway/subway tunnel) and then collects a portion of the tolls or fares that the project generates. PPPs are something Washington used to help expand transit in Denver.

“The big benefit for the public sector is that P3s allow for the acceleration of projects, because the private sector has money that is ready to be invested while the transit agency has to depend on a long, slow trickle of sales tax revenues and other funding over decades, during which time costs escalate and the full benefits of the transit build-out aren’t realized,” Washington said. “P3s allow us to build the projects now and pay for them over a longer period of time — sort of like the mortgage on a home — but of course there is a cost to borrowing the money.”

Very early plans for the Sepulveda Tunnel call for a 60-foot tunnel that could accommodate trains on one level and cars on one or possibly two levels; drivers would be charged tolls to access the tunnel. The underground route will link the Valley to the Westside, though where exactly it would connect is not clear.

Aside from the proposed P3, Metro is considering placing a half-cent sales tax increase on the 2016 ballot. If it gets approval from two-thirds of voters, it could bring in about $90 billion over 45 years.

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According to this article the 405 tunnel will cost 20 billion dollars, 60' diameter and 9 miles. The SR-710 , 60' diameter tunnels, will cost 5.65 billion dollars for two 4.7 mile tunnels. Which one is estimated correctly?

 Actually this doesn't seem like a bad idea, at least it's primarily for commuting. If the adjacent communities approve, it certainly makes more sense than 710 North which is about truck traffic. Let's see how Mr. Washington parses his tunnel projects.

 The early reports on this project offered several options. The car tunnel only option, without rail of any sort, was estimated at $10 Billion the last time I looked. Still doesn't make sense when you compare it and the SR 710 tunnel together. SR-710 is still estimated at half the cost of the 405 Corridor tunnel.

 My guess: neither is estimated correctly. Mega projects are almost always purposely underbid and go way over budget.

 Wow, that project was estimated at $10 B before, now it's $20 B. 710 tunnels originally $1 B, now it's $5.65 B and SCAG estimate $11.8 B. With all these billions of dollars flying around, one has to think irresponsible to say the least of Metro.

  Maybe the changes in estimates have to do with Bryan Pennington the director of construction who replaced Doug Failing.


 There were multiple configurations -- some with rail, some with bus lanes, etc. the price depends on which configuration you are talking about. The 10 billion was for the version that is the analog to SR 210 -- no rail and no dedicated lanes. What is described in the article includes other modes.

You are right about the inevitable cost overruns. However, for me the larger issue is the lack of internal consistency -- two tunnels of the same diameter and (total) length, and yet SR 710 is estimated to cost half of 405? It leads to the logical conclusion that SR 710 is being purposely underestimated to make it look more attractive and feasible.





Phil Washington—formerly of Denver’s transit agency—is now in his first week as head of L.A.’s Metro. Washington was recently grilled by Move L.A., which asked him about the plans for a proposed double- or triple-level tunnel under the 405.
With a price tag of about $20 billion—Metro only has $1 billion to pay for it—the agency will need to get creative if they want it see the light of day (or not, it would be underground). Move L.A. asked Washington about public/private partnerships, where a private business builds a public amenity (say a freeway/subway tunnel) and then collects a portion of the tolls or fares that the project generates. PPPs are something Washington used to help expand transit in Denver.
“The big benefit for the public sector is that P3s allow for the acceleration of projects, because the private sector has money that is ready to be invested while the transit agency has to depend on a long, slow trickle of sales tax revenues and other funding over decades, during which time costs escalate and the full benefits of the transit build-out aren’t realized,” Washington said. “P3s allow us to build the projects now and pay for them over a longer period of time — sort of like the mortgage on a home — but of course there is a cost to borrowing the money.”
Very early plans for the Sepulveda Tunnel call for a 60-foot tunnel that could accommodate trains on one level and cars on one or possibly two levels; drivers would be charged tolls to access the tunnel. The underground route will link the Valley to the Westside, though where exactly it would connect is not clear.
Aside from the proposed P3, Metro is considering placing a half-cent sales tax increase on the 2016 ballot. If it gets approval from two-thirds of voters, it could bring in about $90 billion over 45 years.
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